Dear Dr. Zava,
I am a 63 year-old woman who had a total hysterectomy at age 42. I am osteopenic and want to take bioidentical progesterone. I love the feeling I get from taking it, but I get a lot of breast tenderness. I even decreased the dosage to 5 mg and still got the breast soreness. I also have fibrocystic breasts and low thyroid. I was taking Synthroid and recently changed to porcine thyroid.
I have had fatigue issues for years and the natural hormones made me feel so much better. I would really like to take the progesterone but am worried about the breast reaction. I also got the DHEA, and testosterone cream. These were very low dose preparations as well, but I had to quit taking them due to the breast problem.
I had a blood test years ago and was very deficient in all hormones. I eventually decided that I must be converting everything to estrogen and maybe I could not process the hormones. I have also been thinking I have adrenal fatigue as well. I am taking some adrenal support capsules that have some adrenal tissue in them. I am really trying to find a solution and wonder if you have ever encountered this problem in your experience.
I thank you in advance for any insight you might have. –Nancy
Dear Nancy,
It would seem that your breast tissue is very sensitive to hormones, including progesterone.
If you have not tested your hormones during hormone therapy it’s not possible to know if they are in excess, or the breast tissue is just extra sensitive to normal levels of hormones, or both. Women who have had a total hysterectomy usually have very low levels of hormones. However, you do complain of fibrocystic breasts, which is usually due to estrogen dominance, but some also say an iodine deficiency. You are probably right in saying that you convert hormone precursors to estrogens, which is probably why androgens like testosterone and DHEA (estrogen precursors) cause the same problem.
In some women with estrogen excess, progesterone therapy, when first used, can cause breast soreness. At the cellular level, progesterone works in synergy with estrogen to stimulate normal breast cell proliferation and differentiation, and then inhibits proliferation. This is how progesterone works in synergy with estrogens to allow the tissue to specialize and stop dividing. However, if estrogen is in excess for a prolonged period of time it is more difficult for progesterone to be growth-inhibitory. The growth-inhibitory properties of progesterone may also depend on the cellular levels of progesterone receptors, which can vary from one person to another.
My guess is that your breast cells have just seen too much estrogen for too long, and that when you first use the progesterone it has more of the growth-promoting actions, which cause the soreness.
Some have suggested that breast tenderness can be due also to iodine deficiency. Normal breast tissue is iodine dependent and when levels are low, the tissue is hypersensitive to estrogens. So part of your problem might be due to iodine deficiency.
Vitamin D is also important for normal breast function, so this may also be an issue for you. You should check your Vitamin D level and consider supplementation if low.
Many of the physicians I have worked with have said they find that in women with estrogen dominance it is best to lower the estrogen burden first before using natural progesterone. Otherwise, progesterone can cause the problems you mention.
All this said you need to discuss this with your doctor and consider means to lower the apparent estrogen burden in your breast tissue. I say apparent because we don’t know for sure if you have excess estrogen in your bloodstream, or in your breast tissue. There are many natural ways to lower your estrogen burden, including weight loss, exercise, and more fiber in the diet. You can find out more about this in What Your Dr May Not Tell You about Breast Cancer.
I would also suggest you look at your hormone levels, particularly estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA(S), and cortisol before you begin any hormone therapy.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009
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Estrogens are metabolised mainly through glucuronidation and thus calcium-D-glucurate can upregulate this process and decrease estrogen levels. 4 and 16 hydroxy estrones can be pro-inflamatory/pro-carcinogenic. There are supplements that can upregulate the 2-hydroxy pathway that is more healthy. I use Estrofactors by Metagenics. Estrogens go through a complicated metabolic processs in the gut dependent on optimal gut flora. If one has GI symptoms along with the breast tenderness I'd start probiotics.
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ReplyDeleteI just read your interview regarding Birth Control Pills and teenage girls. When I review the details of what happens in the female body during puberty and how the hormones are guiding the development I am amazed that someone isn't protesting the very common use of Birth Control pills for acne today. It is a common practice.
I understand that the birth control pill creates a pregnancy like state in the females body with the use of synthetic hormones that effect the uterine lining and the breasts.
In the teenage girl her body's natural hormones totally changes the ratio balance enabling her body to develop into a woman.
How does the Birth Control pill harm a 14 year old girl of her natural development, and what are the major concerns we should be cautioning these girls and their parents about?
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Dr. Zava, I have a question about low thyroid and testosterone. We just received a call from our Dr. saying my husband has this condition. He wants to meet with us to go over a course of action. What are some questions we should be asking. The tests were by blood only, no saliva taken. My husband had prostate cancer surgery, Da Vinci. The cancer was all in the prostate and had not spread. There was no need for chemo or radiation. Problem was that during the surgery something happened that caused more nerve damage than usual and my husband has been living in chronic pain since. He is on pain medications for the past 3 years. He has been very tired,and depressed for many months. I just read your blog about the low testosterone. Should we insist the Dr. have a saliva test performed? Are there bio-identical creams that can be used? We have a good compounding pharmacist, will she have suggestions? Any guidance or questions to ask would be appreciated.
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Sherry
Dear Sherry,
ReplyDeleteThere are different schools of thought about whether or not to use testosterone following prostate cancer. Those who say no to testosterone base this on the notion that testosterone might cause growth of occult quiescent prostate cancer cells that remain in the body following prostate cancer surgery. Those who say yes to testosterone base this on evidence that it is men with very low testosterone that get prostate cancer, and testosterone is beneficial and preventive of prostate cancer. There are valid points to both arguments. If testosterone is used, it is my opinion that it should be used conservatively in physiological dosing.
You might ask your doctor to explain what other risks, other than recurrence of prostate cancer, your husband faces by not taking testosterone if his levels are very low.
Whatever body fluid you use to test for testosterone (saliva or blood), either will give you an accurate picture of your husband’s baseline testosterone status. I would go with whatever testing your doctor is most comfortable and familiar with using-saliva or blood. If his doctor decides to put him on topical testosterone therapy then serum testing will not be accurate, and I would suggest using saliva or capillary blood (dried blood spot).
There are both compounded and pharmaceutical grade testosterone gels, creams, and troches. My opinion, as I stated in my blog on the NEJM testosterone study in older men with cardiovascular risk, is that the available products from the pharmaceutical industry are good, but just too potent, as they deliver too much testosterone. The reason is that doctors are basing the high dosing on serum testosterone levels, which increase very little with topically applied testosterone. With topically delivered testosterone I would not recommend serum testing, and suggest saliva or capillary blood (dried blood spot) as this is more representative of the tissue uptake of testosterone. When too much testosterone is used it can convert excessively to estrogens, which are problematic to the prostate as well as the cardiovascular system (please see my earlier blog on testosterone).
David Zava, PhD
ZRT Laboratory
Dear doctor, please be kind and tell us why certain labs are recommending 24 urine analysis for hormones and you and Dr. Lee just saliva tests?
ReplyDeleteWarmly, Dr. Maria.
I used natural progesterone cream for several years for PMS with great success in my 40's. Then when I hit 50 and was approaching menopause, a fibroid tumor in my uterus grew to mammoth proportions very quickly. I was still using the cream. I called ZRT labs and had a discussion about this. I was told that although progesterone does not cause tumors, it may well participate in their growth. This tumor grew extremely rapidly and was the size of a six month fetus within a year. I finally had to have a hysterectomy . I thought using progesterone would help halt it's growth but apparently the truth could very well be the exact opposite. This makes sense since it is an important facilitator during the growth of cells during pregnancy. I would like an opinion from you as a very knowledgeable person, about this. Too often there will be a reflexive defense instead of a considered reflective answer. I would like to start using the cream again but I am not interested in facilitating the growth of any stray tumor that might already be in my body.
ReplyDeleteDear Dr. Zava
ReplyDeleteThus far, researchers have analyzed breast tissue samples to evaluate iodine concentration.
I’m interested in exploring the possible relationship between breast cancer and an iodine deficiency and wonder if evaluating blood serum levels would yield similar results or if taking a breast tissue sample would be the gold standard?
Sincerely,
Jessica Bringas, Dietetic Intern
Dr Zava,
ReplyDeleteI was diagnosed with ER+ breast cancer at the age of 34. I'm 37 now and have been on tamoxifen for 2 years with minimal noticeable side effects. My oncologist is now recommending oophorectomy due to concern that tamoxifen may not be working as well as it should on me and due to significant family history of breast and ovarian cancer ( though I'm BRCA/BART-). My PCP says that following oophorectomy, he would place me on natural hormones that would keep me out of menopause. I'm so lost and confused! By nature, I tend to stick with holistic medicine, having 2 young children, thus far I have gone the standard medical route. The research Tends to be vague regarding young women, they simply don't know what to do with us and oophorectomy is the best they can offer at this time. I see the logic in many of your recommendations but I'm not finding the research to back it up, where can I find research? Does this type of research look specifically at the differences in young women? Is it possible that some women process even natural estrogen differently, thus leading to cancers or, when in balance, we're all essentially the same?
Any information you can share would be so gratefully appreciated!
Julie
Dr. Zava I have 46 yr old female. I have been testing with ZRT Lab. Most recently my results indicated that I should increase my progesterone because I have symptoms of estrogen dominance. However the compounding pharmacist suggested that I increase testosterone instead. My tests also showed I have low cortisol levels in the morning and afternoon but I increase in the evening. I use the Vivelle dot patch 0.05, .5 150 mg progesterone at night, 1 mg (0.1%) Estriol (3 times a week) and recently was just prescribed 0.5 - 1 mg of testosterone (1 time in the morning). I continue to have fatigue, memory/concentration issues. And I have put on about 10 lbs since going on the patch. I have been active all my life and always averaged the same weight. I have always prided myself in staying in shape and eating right (no sodas, chips, etc.). I can't seem to get a handle on which direction to go. I am thinking maybe I can try back down the dose of my patch. But I am afraid the horrible hot flashes which came 50+ times a day will come back. My current estrogen level is 1, progesterone is 305 (ratio is: 305), Testosterone is: 28 (fell 12 pts since my last test), DHEAS: 9.4, Morning Cortisol: 3.2, afternoon: 0.9, Evening: 1, Night: 0.9. I would be so thankful for any advice you can offer. Thank you so much. Laura
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